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AMA: Selectively investing in commercial real estate

Matt Malone
Matt Malone Head of Investment Management

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Matt Malone discusses challenges and selective opportunities in the current commercial real estate market

Key Takeaways

  • Opportunistic selection and diversification are key in the current commercial real estate market, which has proven challenging to the most sophisticated professional investors.
  • Recent parallel losses in US and UK triple-A CMBS tranches, similar to those we saw in the Global FInancial Crisis, highlight some of the vulnerabilities in the commercial real estate market.
Transcript

We get a lot of questions about commercial real estate here. What should we do about it? Should we invest in it? Should we avoid it altogether? What we've been advising clients for a long time is to be selective, be opportunistic, and mainly stay away from core, particularly legacy assets, because there's just a lot less optionality with those. With the changing valuation environment, it's much harder for sponsors to manage through more difficult times with higher interest rates.

Two interesting things have happened recently. We've had parallel losses in triple-A CMBS both in the US and the UK, and this is the first time this has happened since the global financial crisis. A triple-A CMBS tranche is the most highly rated investment grade, supposedly the safest part of a CMBS securitization. CMBS securitizations are basically pools of commercial real estate loans. So, when you look at a pool of commercial real estate loans, the people that are buying the triple-A tranches are getting the least amount of yield because they're taking the least amount of risk. These are the tranches that no one's supposed to lose money on. People did lose money on this. One was a single asset transaction on a New York office, so probably not a lot of surprises there.

This was an office building that was primarily occupied by L Brands. It was bought by Blackstone in 2014 for $600 million. L Brands owns Victoria's Secret and Bath & Body Works. So, not exactly the highest-performing businesses post-Covid. The tenant base was reduced, and the building as office space in New York is not that attractive. It was ultimately recently sold at about a third of the price it was purchased for in 2014. Blackstone's equity was wiped out, and investors experienced loss.

Then in June, not quite the same, but also a loss on a triple-A tranche. This was a 2018 origination, a loan collateralized by a pool of three retail properties in the UK. Oaktree was the original borrower here, another large, sophisticated real estate owner. It's been in default since 2020. This was sold to a cash bidder based on a 60% decline in value. These were secondary malls in the UK, another sector that has been under pressure in real estate and commercial real estate for a while, with lower-quality properties and just lower demand for retail space. On the other hand, this was sold at a current yield of about 15% to the new buyer at a property that has a lot of space to lease up.

So, we've got a New York office that went bad, and we've got UK retail that went bad. Both equity owners were wiped out, and both properties were picked up by opportunistic buyers. I think what this teaches us about investing in commercial real estate now is diversification. Even the big guys, these were Blackstone and Oaktree deals, are having problems. Avoid troubled asset classes if you can. Every bad deal on one side is potentially an opportunistic deal on the other side. So, it's a time to be selective and opportunistic in commercial real estate.

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